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Что происходит с движущимися часами и стержнями в каждой из моделей?

При 0,6 c собственные 4 с дают 5 с, а собственные 10 м — 8 м: время умножается на множитель, длина делится. О ходе движущихся часов статья Лоренца 1904 года не высказывается — и говорит это прямо, с причиной.

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СТО: собственные 4 с дают 5 с в другой инерциальной системе

5 s

Query parameters · 3
q
question 3: the readings of moving clocks and the length of a moving rod
r
sim-einstein
o
observable: the time interval of the process measured in the frame moving relative to it, in seconds
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Collection

Эфир: те же 4 с остаются 4 с — замедления модель не знает

4 s

Query parameters · 3
q
question 3: the readings of moving clocks and the length of a moving rod
r
sim-efir
o
observable: the time interval of the process measured in the frame moving relative to it, in seconds
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Collection

Лоренц о ходе часов МОЛЧИТ — и называет причину

§4: t′ введено как независимая переменная преобразования, а не как показание часов; о ходе движущихся часов статья 1904 года не высказывается

Query parameters · 3
q
question 3: the readings of moving clocks and the length of a moving rod
r
sim-lorentz
o
observable: the time interval of the process measured in the frame moving relative to it, in seconds
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Why this result? →Sources: 32

Collection

СТО: собственные 10 м дают 8 м — длина ДЕЛИТСЯ на множитель

8 m

Query parameters · 3
q
question 3: the readings of moving clocks and the length of a moving rod
r
sim-einstein
o
observable: the length of the rod measured in the frame in which it moves, in metres
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Время УМНОЖАЕТСЯ на множитель, длина ДЕЛИТСЯ. У обеих пар величины одной размерности и один и тот же множитель; различает их единственно предикат — СОБСТВЕННОЕ время против СОБСТВЕННОЙ длины, — и никакая проверка единиц подмены не поймает. Процедуры измерения при этом разные: промежуток снимается одними часами в одном месте, длина — двумя отметками одновременно.

СТО: собственные 4 с дают 5 с в другой инерциальной системе

Collection

Лоренц даёт те же 8 м — но из ГИПОТЕЗЫ §8

8 m

Query parameters · 3
q
question 3: the readings of moving clocks and the length of a moving rod
r
sim-lorentz
o
observable: the length of the rod measured in the frame in which it moves, in metres
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Лоренц даёт ту же длину 8 м, но по другому основанию: у него сокращение есть ГИПОТЕЗА §8, а у Эйнштейна — следствие преобразования §3.

СТО: собственные 10 м дают 8 м — длина ДЕЛИТСЯ на множитель

Collection

Эфир: те же 10 м остаются 10 м — сокращения модель не знает

10 m

Query parameters · 3
q
question 3: the readings of moving clocks and the length of a moving rod
r
sim-efir
o
observable: the length of the rod measured in the frame in which it moves, in metres
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

О ходе движущихся часов статья 1904 года не высказывается вовсе, и это сказано ПОЛОЖИТЕЛЬНО, с причиной: «источник об этом не говорит» есть ответ, а не пробел. Модель эфира отвечает на оба вопроса и отвечает НЕТ: ни замедления, ни сокращения она не знает.

Лоренц о ходе часов МОЛЧИТ — и называет причинуЭфир: те же 4 с остаются 4 с — замедления модель не знает

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@misc{arxo-lens-b_f3c82069ff2b,
  title = {Что происходит с движущимися часами и стержнями в каждой из моделей?},
  howpublished = {Arxo Lens},
  url = {https://lens.arxo.io/a/b_f3c82069ff2bbda099ce4c7ce0743475b20983562c134f8b812b90bc9bc25b29},
  note = {as of 2026-09-08; SHA-256 f3c82069ff2bbda099ce4c7ce0743475b20983562c134f8b812b90bc9bc25b29}
}
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