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Что даёт переход к движущейся системе для двух одновременных событий, разнесённых на световую секунду?

Два события одновременны в лаборатории и разнесены на световую секунду; вторая система движется со скоростью 0,6 c. Эфир даёт 0 с, Лоренц и Эйнштейн — одно и то же −0,75 с при разных основаниях.

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Collection

Эфир: Δt′ = 0 с — абсолютное время не меняет промежутка

0 s

Query parameters · 3
q
question 2: simultaneity and the transformation of the time of two separated events
r
sim-efir
o
observable: the time difference of the two events as referred to the SECOND frame, in seconds
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Collection

Лоренц: Δt′ = −0,75 с — местное время §4 при l = 1

-0.75 s

Query parameters · 3
q
question 2: simultaneity and the transformation of the time of two separated events
r
sim-lorentz
o
observable: the time difference of the two events as referred to the SECOND frame, in seconds
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Collection

СТО: Δt′ = −0,75 с — преобразование §3

-0.75 s

Query parameters · 3
q
question 2: simultaneity and the transformation of the time of two separated events
r
sim-einstein
o
observable: the time difference of the two events as referred to the SECOND frame, in seconds
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Постановка операционна: расстояние по линейкам лаборатории, разность показаний её синхронизированных часов и скорость второй системы. Абсолютного времени, местного времени и показаний движущихся часов постановка не сообщает — это величины моделей, и каждая приходит из своего пакета.

Эфир: Δt′ = 0 с — абсолютное время не меняет промежуткаЛоренц: Δt′ = −0,75 с — местное время §4 при l = 1

Condition

Эфир и СТО расходятся — вывод правила, а не разность чисел глазами

Established

Query parameters · 4
q
question 2: simultaneity and the transformation of the time of two separated events
a
sim-efir
b
sim-einstein
o
observable: the time difference of the two events as referred to the SECOND frame, in seconds
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Condition

Лоренц и СТО совпали — при разных основаниях

Established

Query parameters · 4
q
question 2: simultaneity and the transformation of the time of two separated events
a
sim-lorentz
b
sim-einstein
o
observable: the time difference of the two events as referred to the SECOND frame, in seconds
Input facts · 15

  • the setting is declared: the operational conditions of the experiment are named

    s: sim

  • both frames of the setting are declared inertial

    s: sim

  • the distance between the two events along the direction of motion, measured with the rulers of the laboratory frame

    s: simdx: 299792458 m

  • the difference of the readings of the synchronised laboratory clocks at the places of the two events

    s: simdt: 0 s

  • the speed of the second frame relative to the laboratory along the x axis; the sign is the direction of the transition

    s: simv: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the proper time interval of the process: measured where its beginning and end occur at the same place

    s: simtau: 4 s

  • the proper length of the rod: measured by an observer at rest relative to both of its ends

    s: siml0: 10 m

  • what is carried is a body with rest mass, not a light signal

    s: sim

  • the speed of the body relative to the SECOND frame along the x axis — the speed to be composed with the frame speed

    s: simu: 179875474.8 m_per_s

  • the run belongs to this theory and this setting

    rts
    sim-efirthe simple stationary luminiferous ether model in an authored reconstruction: a preferred frame, absolute time, Galilean transformations, c relative to the medium, no dragging and no contractionsim
    sim-lorentzLorentz's electrodynamics of moving bodies in the 1904 formulation: a stationary aether, local time as an auxiliary variable, contraction of bodies and altered molecular forcessim
    sim-einsteinspecial relativity in the 1905 formulation: an operational definition of simultaneity, two principles, the transformation of coordinates and time, the composition of velocitiessim

  • §4: the factor k presented by the case; defined by k² = c²/(c² − w²), an identity verifiable without a square root

    r: sim-lorentzk: 5/4

  • the relative motion of the two frames to which the computing package will refer the quantities of this run

    r: sim-einsteinmo: sim-dvizhenie

  • §3: the Lorentz factor presented by the case; its agreement with the speed is checked by the computing package by an identity without a square root

    r: sim-einsteing: 5/4
Issues · 2
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
  • редакция urn:bipm:clir:si-brochure#SI_BROCHURE_8_EN на дату права 2026-09-08 закрыта (in_force с 2006-01-01) — 4 узлов не участвуют в вычислении (§92.3/§31, E-0095)
Why this result? →Sources: 71

Числа Лоренца и Эйнштейна совпадают ТОЧНО. Подставив в преобразование §4 координату движущихся осей и приняв l = 1, получаем в точности преобразование §3 статьи 1905 года. Совпадение числа при различии оснований и есть предмет седьмого разбора галереи.

Лоренц: Δt′ = −0,75 с — местное время §4 при l = 1СТО: Δt′ = −0,75 с — преобразование §3

И расхождение, и совпадение ВЫВОДЯТСЯ правилами: обе стороны обязаны ответить, и на постановке, где ответила одна модель, не выводится ни того, ни другого.

Эфир и СТО расходятся — вывод правила, а не разность чисел глазами

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  title = {Что даёт переход к движущейся системе для двух одновременных событий, разнесённых на световую секунду?},
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